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Post by Lorrin on Jan 6, 2013 15:03:31 GMT -6
Since we're starting to get a few more members and a bunch of lovely characters, I see it about time to start allowing herds and predator groups to be made. (:
I'm not totally sure how this will work out. Predator groups are obviously the easiest so I'll explain that first.
We will allow 2 predator groups.
The first will be a wolf pack, the second an any-predator group.
The wolf pack will function as a normal wolf pack with alphas, betas, regulars, omegas, etc.
The second predator group will have one leader, the leader's mate (if any), seconds, and then the regular members.
Now, for the deer, I'm not totally sure.
I was thinking we could have several deer territories spread throughout the forest (with the predator ones overlapping possibly) where female deer live in small or medium groups. Males can then claim the territories that the females live in, and the males can fight off any intruder males that try to take over. Of course some battles will be won and lost.
The territories will also be color coded on our new map. Red territories are poor, having not much quality food, water, or resources. Yellow is in the middle, and green territories are the best in terms of quality food, water, safety, etc.
Also, females can go and please as they wish throughout the territories. They can't be claimed unless they want to be. Males can only claim the territories the females reside in, which give the males higher chances of breeding and passing on their genes. This is sort of how it works in the wild, from what I've read.
You might be thinking, "why would the females want to be in a herd in the first place?" Well, in the wild, there's safety in numbers. Characters that are more social and afraid of being alone, for example my character Lorrin, will want to be in a herd that is protected by a big strong male. Fawns also have a better chance being watched by many pairs of eyes rather than just one.
MAP EXAMPLES
Alright so I made some quick examples of the territories.
Deer Terras
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Predator Terras
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Post by andy on Jan 6, 2013 21:37:40 GMT -6
Can I just say that I think this idea is...
totally and utterly AMAZING. I love it, every bit of it!
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Post by Sem on Jan 6, 2013 22:27:55 GMT -6
sounds like a good plan to me :3 maybe later down the line there could be some sort of plot surrounding this idea? maybe someone in one, or many, of the groups gets greedy, and tries to take over all the territories for themselves?
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Post by andy on Jan 7, 2013 13:58:06 GMT -6
Another random comment,
If we're implementing this we should probably do something to encourage the creation of more does and discourage the creation of bucks. The system won't work well if we have a ton of bucks running around challenging, but very few does to challenge for.
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Post by Lorrin on Jan 7, 2013 15:28:16 GMT -6
Sem you creative person you! That's an excellent plot idea. ^^
And Andy, that is also a very good point. I'll tally up the genders we have and implement a ban if I need to.
+20 points for the both of you. :3
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Post by terror ? ! on Jan 8, 2013 18:04:05 GMT -6
This sounds like an incredible idea! I love the way you have the deer herds arranged. Though for battles, I think you'd have to come up with a way to judge them and stuff to make sure there isn't any cheating or power playing.
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Post by lunarcat7 on Jan 9, 2013 16:30:21 GMT -6
Sounds good! As for battles, typically I've seen them judged by staff (though other players could work) that don't have anything invested in the fight. They could be judged on writing quality, understanding of anatomy and movement (no hard to believe moves), and damage done....I think I'm missing something but I've got to run! xD
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Post by dasspace on Jan 9, 2013 20:31:27 GMT -6
I really like the idea of groups and herds. Realistically, for example, it's less likely for a wolf to survive on its own than be in a pack, but I guess since we're in the Forest, that doesn't matter, does it? Well, er, never mind, then! I just like groups!  Regarding battles, I'm siding with Terror and Lunar; a judge that won't be biased towards either side should decide the winner to prevent from any powerplaying or godmoding, and how fluently and effectively a player describes the actions in their posts could be cool, too! C= |
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Post by Lorrin on Jan 9, 2013 20:50:55 GMT -6
I like you guys' ideas about fights being judged by having the roleplayers battle it out, then staff or other members judge it, but I've had problems with this in the past on my previous forum. :/ It also makes me feel so bad to tell someone they lost because their rping wasn't up to par. >.<
So what I was thinking (and if you guys don't like this idea, you can totally shoot it down and say NOES LORRIN) was thaaaat:
Fights will be judged using a point system that focuses on how fights would be won in the natural world.
So points will be given like this:
A young (like a year or less) animal would receive 1 point.
A mature (2 - 3 years) animal would receive 2 points.
An older (4 - 6 years) animal would receive 3 points.
And a senior (7+ years) would receive 1 or 2 points.
An animal that has consumed a power potion that can aide it in battle will receive 3 points.
An animal that has recently known to have been injured or battled will receive -2 points.
Species will also be considered. For example:
Whitetail: 1 point
Elk: 2 points
Caribou: 3 points
Moose: 4 points
Now, I know this system has faults. Namely that, let's say a moose that's at the perfect age and has a power that can help in battle will like, never lose. So perhaps there can be a limit to how long one can rule a herd?
Idk, opinions/better ideas on this? :P
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Post by Sem on Jan 9, 2013 21:31:46 GMT -6
i have to admit, i'm a bit confused with the whole point system thing...though i will say that it reminds me a bit of like..a pokemon battle system xD;
but i..suppose it would work?
i think another thing you should add to that would be the height and weight of the characters that would be battling against each other.
i mean, i can't see a tall, sickly thin, young moose - even with powers - winning a battle against something like an older, fatter, healthier albeit shorter elk character - powers or no powers.
i also think battles should also have a bit of doe involvement; for instance, if it were decided that a sickly male was allowed to take over a territory or something, i can't see too many does sticking around the area, even if it was lush and healthy. the male would seem unsightly and unworthy of a group of does nestled in his territory, and thus they would more than likely migrate to another area with a more promising, protective dominant, even if the land was poor.
not to mention a sickly male would not be able to fend for his territory very well, and would leave the females almost defenseless if another male came in and decided to overthrow the area. or even if predators came to claim that territory, or hunt; a weak male would not be able to hold his own very well against a pack of wolves or something, much less be able to defend the females in that area.
that's just my opinion on it, though.
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Post by terror ? ! on Jan 10, 2013 18:21:00 GMT -6
The points system is a tad bit confusing. It's a good idea, just confusing, and I think it has more flaws than pros to it. If you would like to go with the judging, I volunteer to be one of the judges. I've judged on sites before and I've always been fair.
Idea for what could be judged:
Quality vs. Quantity: If the person has 1000000 words but the post versus their opponents post just isn't up to par, points will be deducted.
Powerplaying: If the poster powerplays in any way, shape, or form, points will be deducted.
Health: The mental and physical health of a character will come into play with the amount of points given to the poster.
Age: If a character is very young or very old, they might not do as well.
Breed/Species: The bigger or smaller or more powerful the breed, the more damage could be done.
Potions: If they have any potions, they would be listed here, as well as any powers that they have.
That's basically all I can think of at the moment. All categories will be judged out of 10 points.
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Post by andy on Jan 12, 2013 13:22:49 GMT -6
Another thing to think about with this situation.. Picture this:
A big whitetail stag Bob has control of a prime piece of territory. Within that territory is a substantial herd of whitetail deer.
The likelihood of Bob being challenged by anyone other than a whitetail is unlikely, seeing as there are only whitetail deer in the land. Make sense?
Also, if a whitetail stag takes hold of a territory, what would be the use of say.. an elk cow remaining in said territory? She can't be bred by the whitetail unless they buy the love potion, so the only benefit of her being there would be for food.
So i'm not sure how all this is gonna go down.. y'know?
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Post by terror ? ! on Jan 12, 2013 15:40:40 GMT -6
Could make for some interesting plots, however.
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Post by S I N on Mar 6, 2013 13:06:38 GMT -6
I think since this is more of a fantasy site than realistic... perhaps the deer herds could act alot like that of horses? Just an idea, since if we follow the natural flow it wouldn't exactly be far to those who have does... yah know? And as for the wolves or predators, I agree! However, I think that whom ever is lead should be able to make the ranks? Please don't attack meh -hides- I just thought I'd offer my opinions and thoughts xD
OH! And on the point system, I think that is a great way to judge, although I would add places for grammer, spelling, and detail. Like a section for the character in general, then one for the rper. That may not seem fair (which was said above), but that's how I've seen many sites conduct their judging. It's all up to you though x3 I just thought I might try to be helpfull... not sure how greatly that turned out though.
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Post by Chimera² on Mar 6, 2013 18:41:51 GMT -6
-Glomps Sin- I agree completely with you! I think the member that plays as the leader of the pack should be allowed to make the ranking order if they want to. It could be optional, and those who don't want to establish their own hierarchy could use a pre-made one. (-nudges Sem- I'd be more than happy to whip up a Ranking Order and descriptions to each position ^^) I know I've done that in the past, since my wolf was Alpha and I got to add as many positions as I saw fit. It was really nice and kept everything neat and organized, I can post an example of a hierarchy in a pack if you'd like.
And with the mention of horses (SQWEEE!), while I see this as an excellent idea, I think following the order of an elk herd would be more realistic in terms of herds and what not. I'm going to go ahead and explain myself using Elk terms. (So I don't confuse myself.)
Elk, naturally, will stick close to any others they can find, whether they're bulls, calves, or cows. Safety in numbers is the most important thing, since the more eyes there are, the less likely it'll be that a predator can sneak up on them and make them into a meal. I personally have never seen an elk by their selves, because their instincts keep them close together in herds. In these groups, which are primarily cows, contain bulls of all ages. There always is the top dog in these groups, the biggest, strongest, most mature bull gets to call the shots. He always determines where the herd will be grazing, and it's his responsibility to keep everyone safe. The only reason this Alpha Male type guy lets the other bulls stay in the herd, is because bigger is better. More elk in a herd, means less stress on the lead bull. The other subordinate bulls can help protect the herd. They're allowed to stay as long as they don't challenge him for breeding rights. As long as the young bulls understand their place, and know that the cows in the herd belong to that one top dog, they're allowed to stay. (Some smaller bulls will sneak around behind his back and mate with the cows, but that's just because it's in their nature to pass their genes down.)
So my whole shebang basically is, is that the deer can all be in a group (Like Horses, Sin <3) both male and female, and they can have their leaders, just like elk do in the wild. As long as their leaders are respected and everyone knows their place, both bucks and does can remain in the safety of the herd. Of course there can be challenges for breeding rights and fights for a better position in the herd, but you get the idea.
-facepalm- This honestly all sounded better in my head, but yeah ahah. It's a thought...erm...well, it's an example and maybe it'll give people some ideas!
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Post by S I N on Mar 7, 2013 12:05:52 GMT -6
I kinda see what your saying xD like one buck is in charged of all males, and one doe is in charge of all the females?
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Post by Sem on Mar 7, 2013 16:39:41 GMT -6
more like one bull is in charge of everyone and there are no female leaders xD
that's the way i see it, at least; i think this occurs for both elk and horses, no? no two top alphas, just the one, usually a male, going off, claiming lands, females, and keeping his position as top dog in tact. you don't exactly see any of the females doing much but raise and protect young. and eat.
after all, it would't make much sense to also have a female leader - like what would make that one female more special than any of the others; in the eyes of a bull, they're all prime for passing genes and showing off status by how many there are in a group.
plus, with the minor bulls also in tow, there would be no need for any female leaders, considering that they would essentially take up their role, still, in providing extra eyes and ears for the herd.
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Post by Chimera² on Mar 7, 2013 21:04:12 GMT -6
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Post by S I N on Mar 8, 2013 10:46:55 GMT -6
I see what y'all are saying, but... even in all the realistic horse rps I've been in, have had a ranking system as follows...
Chief and or Chieftess
Beta Stallion and or Beta Mare
Common Mares
Omega Stallions
So what I'm saying is that this is fantasy and yah know our characters don't have that persona of an actual bull or buck... even though all they think about is sexxx, but still... This is just my opinion though, and I was just thinking does should have their own hierarchy instead of just 'your a doe, go eat'. Cause Ashiona isn't the type to be breed every season around, but this is just me and what I think. Dx
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Post by Sem on Mar 8, 2013 11:56:00 GMT -6
no, it's okay, i know what you're saying :3
and that's where i'd like to throw in my character, Aella.
she grew up in an all-female herd, and call themselves the Amazons; keeping males out of their complex society, until they saw them fit enough for breeding.
what i was thinking, since she absolutely despises males, was that she claimed a chunk of land for herself, and started another all-female herd :3
going a bit away from tradition and letting females romp around and call the shots and whatnot. it would also provide a unique herd to perhaps use during major plots.
but other than that, yes, i understand what you are saying, and we could probably work on something along those lines ^^
it is only fair, after all~ and, as you said, this is fantasy :3 so i'm ok with it.
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Post by S I N on Mar 8, 2013 12:00:37 GMT -6
Ok <3 thats a wonderous idea! An all doe herd would be really fun to plot around. I'm sorry if what all I was saying was confusing or a bit mean sounding, was not my intention!!
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Post by Sem on Mar 8, 2013 13:30:14 GMT -6
no worries~ ^^
it's all part of the figure-shit-out process XD
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